Posts by Pete Zahut

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What is the biggest sexual scandal to hit the top of JW tree ?

by Chook in

elders ,co ,do ,branch overseers ,gb ,missionaries has "sinful" lust got the better of them..

Pete Zahut

1. When I was at Bethel, a married man and woman ran off together leaving their Bethelite spouses behind to face the humiliation and heartbreak. One of the spouses was the Bethel hairdresser and the poor thing was the object of pity the next day as she walked into the dining hall knowing everyone knew and was looking at her with stolen sideways glances. For a young naive Bethelite, it was a real eye opener to me, that this could happen at Bethel. A few months later, all of my months pay was stolen out of my room. ( pretty sure it was our housekeeper who did it). "The truth" never the same for me after that.

2. In our congregation, there were two young couples who were the best of friends. One of the husbands secretly installed a tiny hidden camera in the bathroom of the other couple and he recorded the other brother's wife in the shower etc.

Both of these young couples were from prominent JW families. He got caught and boy did it hit the fan when he did. There was a huge rift in the congregation over how it was handled and the mild punishment that was handed down because of who he was. Several families moved, there was a divorce, another family left the"truth" and a lot of people are no longer speaking to each other.

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Letter to my JW elder brother

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

i sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.

in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.

i sez when it’s quittin’ time.

Pete Zahut

Embracing one's true self is the one of the most exhilarating sensations in the world. As for any future relationship with my brother, I am not interested. He's a pompous ass and always was.

@RK

Yeah...I get that but I also know that when people first become a JW they can be a bit over the top about it and drive people away and the same thing can sometimes be true (at first) about for those who leave. They can be a bit hard nosed and can end up burning bridges unnecessarily.

I was on board with your letter and everything you said in it, except for the inclusion of your brothers name and his location. Not a cool thing to do... and as far as pompous asses are concerned, I'm guessing it runs in the family and it's quite possible that your brother has other non JW related reasons to distance himself from you.

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Letter to my JW elder brother

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

i sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.

in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.

i sez when it’s quittin’ time.

Pete Zahut

@Pete Zahut, that's the nice thing about having disassociated from the Watchtower for conscientious reasons;

I wasn't thinking about the folks at the Watchtower seeing your post. I was thinking in terms of general security and privacy. At the risk of sounding paranoid, when it comes to posting personal information on the internet, less is more, especially so since I'm guessing your brother didn't give you permission to post his name and his location on the internet, nor would it help your relationship if he were to find out you have done so.

I got the impression that you didn't like the fact that he is shunning you. If it were me, and I had written a letter to my brother trying to point out the ironies of his decision to shun me, I wouldn't post the letter and include both of our names, States and Cities on a public forum where it will live in cyberspace for all eternity.

When it comes to the internet, it's a small world and it would be easy enough for anyone reading your post, to find him and tip him off, even years from now. That alone could ruin all of the good the letter may have done. If I were you, I'd ask the forums moderator to edit your names and locations, off the letter.

Just sayin'

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Letter to my JW elder brother

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

i sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.

in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.

i sez when it’s quittin’ time.

Pete Zahut

A very good letter but I'm wondering if it was a good idea to have used your names and your locations when posting it here. In less than a minute, I was able to do a search and locate both names.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but you might be able to ask the forums moderator Simon to remove your names from the letter if you're concerned about it.

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As an Ex JW now, how would you react if you met your Bible study conductor?

by EverApostate in

i was a jw for 11 years , came to know ttatt and wrote my disassociation letter 5 years ago.

since then i had been an atheist and trying all i can to spread awareness for “still in” members.

my wife and mom are still jws and i do get along with them perfectly.

Pete Zahut

You said your former Bible study Conductor (s) were good people so they most likely didn't have any ill intent in teaching you what they had come to know themselves. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself. After all, when you were a JW you may have studied with someone or may have brought them some literature that influenced them greatly.

I've run into old JW friends who didn't realize I was no longer a JW and they start asking me about JW things in my area. I tell them that I realize that this won't come as good news to them, but being a JW just wasn't working for me any longer, so a number of years ago I stopped attending the meetings.

Sometimes they want to know why and I've told them, only to have everything I've said, promptly dismissed. Lately rather than explain anything to them and end up in some kind of debate that doesn't end well, I simply say:

Me: I discovered a few things I should have known before making the decision to be baptized as a JW.

Them: Oh....like what??

Me: Well, let's just leave it at that, but don't worry, I'm doing well. I'm still the same person as before only now I'm not one of Jehovah's Witnesses. How have you been...how's the family?

At that point they usually get the picture and since you're being polite or haven't said anything they can argue with, the ball ends up in their court. It's up to them to change the topic or wriggle their way out of the conversation.

Sometimes people want to be lied to and they are quite willing to punish anyone who doesn't play the game. I find it's better to leave them wondering rather than have them blame me for telling them something they already know, but have been successfully denying.

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So how come Jehovah can do anything but he still needs angels.

by zigua in

as the title says :p.

Pete Zahut

There is no actual proof that there is a God or that there are Angels. Those things are all part the explanation that Christians came to believe as it was passed down to them at infancy and when they were trusting and without the the reasoning skills to question nor the coping skills to deal with the consequences of having done so.

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Hello again

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

hello everyone, it's been a while since i've posted anything on here so i thought i might give an update.

next month i turn 18 and my mom is constantly berating me about getting baptized, so much so that my siblings have even told her to stop.

ive just been flat out telling her no which i know is irritating her.

Pete Zahut

Just a few thoughts and questions to get a better sense of things as they are now so as to be more helpful:

I hope your money is in the bank rather than in your house somewhere, just in case your parents find it and decide to hold it hostage or if you lost it because house was broken into.
I'm assuming you have some sort of job, hence the savings you've accumulated.
It would be good for now to hold on to your money and use public transportation until you figure out where you're going to live, rather than buy a car which will eat up your funds and drain the rest on gas, insurance,repairs etc.
If your parents suspect you are influencing the rest of the kids, it could be the straw camel that broke the camel's back in terms of there being a chance you can continue staying at home. It might be good to curtail doing that.
I'm curious why it's taking so long to get in touch with your relatives as it seems like you've working on that for quite some time now.
Did you check with your local school district regarding help available to you in terms of counseling and education?
Some Towns/Cities /States have services to assist teens with seeking accommodations, have you checked to see what "Human Services" your State has to offer?
Sometimes when we are focused on outcome, we don't really think about what it will be like, the day after we reach our goal. Have you thought in detail what you imagine your first week, month, year away from home will be like and what your specific goals are?

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Whether Jesus was a historical figure or not matters not

by venus in

when i suffered some loss what jesus said came to my mind: “if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.” (mathew 5:40) principle behind this statement made flash to me: ‘here shirt is only a symbol of material things/comfort.

if you suffer a loss, have the mind-set that i have no problem even if i suffer some greater loss,’ and my worry immediately disappeared.

whether jesus was a historical figure or not matters not if what he (supposedly) said happens to be of great practical help..

Pete Zahut

I'm sure the words of Confucius were beneficial to many but one wouldn't want to shun their family members for not building their world around his sayings, or let one of them die because of misapplying his words to a medical issue.

I'm guessing he wouldn't have wanted that either.

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JUNE 2017 Watchtower - Lost a loved one? Go out in service!

by pale.emperor in

apparently going to the kingdom hall and getting out in the door to door ministry is the best way to get over the loss of a loved one.

who'dve thunk it?.

stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/80e3cef960fd4eee9fd5cd757c438581.html

Pete Zahut

Field service is the WT's answer to everything -- loss, loneliness, apostasy in the family, temptation...
There's nothing that can't be fixed by putting in more time faithfully serving the borg.

Yep...when did you ever hear of anyone with a product or service to sell, recommend that you not use it? If you go to a surgeon with an illness 9 times out of 10 he's going to want to operate on you cause that's what he does.

Can you imagine seeing a Watchtower where they recommended to those who find themselves overly tired or feeling burned out, to take a break from pioneering, service or meetings? Everyone knows that to do something long term, you need to pace yourself and take breaks, however it would be unthinkable for them to recommend such a thing. It's always more more more....even more if it's the worst thing you could do.

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Disfellowshipped for being complicit in someone else's sin - really?!

by Isambard Crater in

a close friend of mine who is pimo (only staying in for family reasons) in a neighboring congregation called me in tears tonight saying her dad (elder) is telling her he is seriously considering reporting her to her local elders and she could get disfellowshipped.. the reason?

because she is complicit in a gross sin, according to him, by going with her best friend (not a j.w.

) when the friend had an abortion.

Pete Zahut

By that logic, a JW could be complicit by knowingly bringing a friend or neighbor to the hospital for a surgery that involved a Blood Transfusion.